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Gun Debate Returns to Huntington

Update: Opposing sides to rally on different days.

The gun debate will return to Huntington Station Saturday with groups representing diametrically opposed views but on different days.

Gun advocates are planning to demonstrate at the intersection of Jericho Turnpike and Route 110, site of the large pro-gun rally on Jan. 19 that filled all four corners and spilled alongside the roadways in all directions. They are scheduled to demonstrate from noon to 3 p.m. in what the Conservative Society for Action called a Nationwide Day Of Resistance.

Meantime, a group organized by Long Island Moveon.org moved its rally for gun regulations, such as a ban on assault weapons and for more background checks, to Sunday but on the same turf. It cited Saturday's forecast for heavy rains for the postponement.

Moveon said its rally would run from 2 to 4 p.m., and listed both the intersection and 30 West Jericho, just east of Route 110, as the site.

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Earlier in the day, Suffolk County police said, "The SCPD will monitor the situation and ensure that the people protesting as well as the public are safe, and everyone’s rights are protected."

wayne king February 24, 2013 at 06:28 PM
I don't care what videos you have watched. Watch that one (it was done in 2012). They do not discuss who did it. They flatly say by empirical evidence that the planes did not take down those buildings. You can draw your own conclusions after that. I have come to my conclusions by following the money. John, did you know prior to this conversation what the Federal Reserve was?
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 06:36 PM
Never said he was a CIA agent. Just had connections to them. Did you read those Northwoods docs? Do you realize that there have been "black ops" going on for decades. The Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin, to name a few. Hitler used them: Blowing up the Reichstag, using SS soldiers to stage an attack on German outposts in Poland. Instead of calling someone an idiot (and you may look in the mirror and do it if you like), try researching these things with an open mind. Start w/ that video on 9/11. My conversation with you is over until you tell me you watched the complete video and read the declassified Northwoods files.
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 06:44 PM
you don't care what videos I watch because you're only concerned with the ones that support your argument. I'm not sure what you think the Federal Reserve is, but it's the central "banking system" of the US created in largely in response to the Panic of 1907. It's role since then has changed drastically, but basic duties include " conducting the nation's monetary policy, supervising and regulating banking institutions, maintaining the stability of the financial system and providing financial services to depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign official institutions" There are conspiracy theories ranging from the Moon and the Holocaust to Obama's birth certificate and religion, doesn't mean any of them are true. Just because you read something or watch a video on the internet doesn't mean it's true. I'll show you any number of people/articles/websites etc that all claim Obama is a muslim immigrant and they are all as dumb as the last one
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 06:46 PM
Who owns the Federal Reserve? And why did Woodrow Wilson regret the creation of it?
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 06:50 PM
Wayne, unlike you I'm not going to draw drastic conclusions like the government covering up the deaths of thousands of people based on what someone shows me on the internet. You expect me to believe everything the internet says and call me a sheep for disagreeing?
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 06:54 PM
Why are you afraid of watching that video? Watch it, and then tell me what you think. Hey, I saw "Loose Change" when it came out. I was like you. But, after watching THAT video. My mind changed. And the Federal Reserve is a private cartel of banks. Stop reading the .gov websites that try to make you believe differently. They print money at their own will. Why the hell do you think there are several politicians that want to audit it?
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 06:55 PM
Woodrow Wilson also dropped an atomic bomb that killed countless civilian lives and also refused to enter the precursor to the UN. I gander he regrets a great many things. And I really don't see how Wilson's opinion of it implicates any sort of conspiracy.
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 06:59 PM
lol that wasn't from a "government" website either. But I'm glad you just dismiss anything you disagree with. I'm not "afraid", if I wasted my time on every conspiracy video out there I wouldn't be doing anything else with my life. "Why the hell do you think there are several politicians that want to audit it?" I don't know, maybe just because like any number of government institutions, it's not being run efficiently nor in the best interest of the public? But I guess that whole "cartel conspiracy" sounds a lot more exciting
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 07:04 PM
John, it would be a drastic decision by YOU to come to the conclusion I have come to. I have been researching and studying these things for months. And my conclusion is the correct one. You just can't get a grip on it. And I do not blame you. Most people can not put their hands around this. I would like you to explain why the government never released more than that 1 video of the Pentagon being hit. They know there are people like me that question this, and we all know that that there are videos of the "plane" hitting the Pentagon because there are over 100 cameras around the Pentagon building. They could put this to bed by just releasing some of the videos. There have been people who have requested these videos and they have been denied each time. Just explain to me why they will NOT release the footage. I do have a video that has been declassified and leaked of a missile hitting the Pentagon, but I assume you will say it has been photo shopped.
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 07:04 PM
Wayne, unlike you I'm not going to draw drastic conclusions like the government covering up the deaths of thousands of people based on what someone shows me on the internet. You expect me to believe everything the internet says and call me a sheep for disagreeing? I smell a hypocrite... I also never called you an "idiot", I said the notion that a 23 year old Egyptian national working for the CIA to help blow up the WTC is idiotic.
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 07:09 PM
It's a private cartel of banks, period! And Wilson never dropped an atomic bomb - wrong prez. This is a statement Wilson made about the Fed: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 07:15 PM
You have time to argue with me about this, but you don't have time to watch the video.... bahaaaa... Gonna eat some mutton tonight!
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 07:15 PM
1) When a defendant pleads the 5th in court, the jury does not automatically think they person is guilty nor immediately convict them, it may not help, but guilt alone can not be deduced from them NOT doing something, as suspicious as it is 2) Even if the government did release definitive proof that it was a plane, you and others will still say the government orchestrated it, so it would not be "put to bed" 3) There are people who say the same stuff about other conspiracy theories and proclaim themselves experts and think they have all the answers like yourself. Doesn't mean they have any more credibility than the government. And quite honestly, the fact you claim to have the "correct" answer leads me to believe you're the type who thinks they know more than everyone else.
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 07:29 PM
Please send me this proof. And it better be a plane clearly hitting the Pentagon. Thanks.
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 07:33 PM
Just watch the darn video so you can debunk it. If you don't have the time, stop arguing w/ me.... your wasting time. I am signing out. I will check out the Pentagon proof that you send later. And please, a video of the plane hitting it. Do not send me anything out of the 9/11 Commission report. Thanks John
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 07:36 PM
Yikes, wrong president indeed. So anytime a president disagrees with something it becomes a conspiracy? Wilson did however refuse entry into the LON, so I suppose you have a conspiracy for that? From the one filmography class I took in high school I could put together a video of "irrefutable evidence" that bigfoot is actually a government experiment to produce super soldier gone wrong. Doesn't make me any more credible than a website that can post whatever it wants. But the same goes for any type of media that you get your info from: Don't believe everything you read/hear
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 07:45 PM
The video is no more or less credible than the witnesses who claim to have saw the plane, and I'll go as far to say they are MORE credible because they're not posting some video anonymously on youtube and I'll leave it at that.
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 07:52 PM
"In response to the conspiracy theorists claim of a missile hitting the Pentagon, Mete Sozen a professor of civil engineering at Purdue University argues that: "A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building. When Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, one wing hit the ground and the other was sheared off by the Pentagon's load-bearing columns." "According to ArchitectureWeek, the reason the Pentagon took relatively little damage from the impact was because Wedge One had recently been renovated" And I'd love to hear how you think the bodies of the passengers of Flight 77 magically ended up there
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 08:26 PM
Just watch the video.
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 08:39 PM
I saw the plane hit w/ my own eyes the second tower. That is not what the video is about. For Wilson to state what he did is quite damning... you would think. I like how you use the 5th amendment argument. McGwire used that when questioned if he used PEDs... to later admit he did. Why would the gov plead the 5th. Are they afraid that they might incriminate themselves? I thought the gov is a representation of the people. Why would they not release a clear video of the plane hitting the Pentagon? People have tried using the freedom of public information act on releasing this information, but have been denied. Why is that? Why is there nano thermite at the scene of the attack on the WTCs? Why have very educated engineers and physicists claim that there is no way a building could fall the way it did w/o being demoed (and fell at free fall speed). Well, I guess you will not know the answer to these questions until we get a REAL investigation on this, and maybe if you watched that video you would have the same questions I have. I was a disbeliever just like you! That video changed my mind. Maybe, it would change yours too. You have proven to me that you do not know several things. Like what is the Fed. You had no comment on the housing bubble, nor the Gulf of Tonkin incident, or Northwoods. You should just shut your mouth and look at the evidence I sent you. Northwoods and Gulf of Tonkin are both absolutely true and not part of any conspiracy theory... they happened.
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 09:12 PM
And there is an ex-general who used to specialize in looking at photos to tell what happened. I am just questioning. And the question could be answered very easily by releasing a video. Millions of people want to see it. Tell me why they wouldn't release it. And again, watch the video. Look at it this way, you have been debating me now for hours, you could have watched the video by now. Aren't you at least curious? I can't explain the bodies at the Pentagon... but, you know what. If you read how they were going to perform the Northwoods Project, you could see how it could be feasible how the bodies could have been dumped there. And I am not saying they were. I just want to see a clear video of the plane crashing into it.
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 10:56 PM
"You should just shut your mouth and look at the evidence I sent you" Translated: I'm running out of comebacks to refute your argument It's not clear because people like you choose for it to be so. You choose to ignore eyewitnesses instead of what some guy says on the internet or on a video. I had no comment on the rest because I can only handle one conspiracy theory at a time. But I'll take a whack at it. -You don't deem the video clear, however, if it's sufficient to INDEPENDENT groups like "Judicial Watch", I'll believe that over some guy on the internet with a camera. -Ron Paul wasn't elected for a number of reasons, if you believe it was because of the federal reserve issue, so be it. -"operation northwoods"? JFK didn't allow it but you believe Bush did? Even so, Osama taking complete blame for it kinda blows up your theory, why wouldn't he say the US did it or at least some of it? Why the hell would the US cooperate with the world's most wanted man? Further more, to insinuate the US would aid Al-Queda, A KNOWN TERRORIST GROUP is preposterous. -Gulf of Tonkin, as far as I know there were 2 incidents, one real, one false. I agree, it did happen I'll tell you where you're argument has ZERO logic. The is not PROOF the US has EVER killed 3,000 of it's own people to start a war. Also, genius, if they were doing to start a WAR why would they attack their own DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE?
John Gruber February 24, 2013 at 10:59 PM
"You should just shut your mouth and look at the evidence I sent you" Translated: I'm running out of comebacks to refute your argument It's not clear because people like you choose for it to be so. You choose to ignore eyewitnesses instead of what some guy says on the internet or on a video. I had no comment on the rest because I can only handle one conspiracy theory at a time. But I'll take a whack at it. -You don't deem the video clear, however, if it's sufficient to INDEPENDENT groups like "Judicial Watch", I'll believe that over some guy on the internet with a camera. -Ron Paul wasn't elected for a number of reasons, if you believe it was because of the federal reserve issue, so be it. -"operation northwoods"? JFK didn't allow it but you believe Bush did? Even so, Osama taking complete blame for it kinda blows up your theory, why wouldn't he say the US did it or at least some of it? Why the hell would the US cooperate with the world's most wanted man? Further more, to insinuate the US would aid Al-Queda, a group they were ACTIVELY PURSUING in killing 3,000 of its own citizens is preposterous. -Gulf of Tonkin, as far as I know there were 2 incidents, one real, one false. I agree, it did happen I'll tell you where you're argument has ZERO logic. The is not PROOF the US has EVER killed 3,000 of it's own people to start a war. Also, genius, if they were doing to start a WAR why would they attack their own DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE?
wayne king February 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM
So, you still haven't watched the video have you. Then you win! I lose! If I can't get you to watch the video, I can't show you my evidence.
wayne king February 25, 2013 at 01:06 AM
As in Pear Harbor, and I do believe we knew about the attack in advance. Hmm. Why would the government allow hundreds of war personnel and battleships get destroyed when they are about to enter a war? BTW, I can refute all of your comments. But, my goal is for you to watch the vid and then debunk it. The 9/11 commission accepted the 9/11 report and there are holes and falsities all over the report - so, I do not care what this judicial watch accepts. That video they released is bunk and the report is off.
wayne king February 25, 2013 at 02:28 AM
John, let's talk on the phone.
wayne king February 25, 2013 at 06:58 AM
John, if you would like to know how the federal reserve was created and what it is watch this educational video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_VqX6J93k
John Gruber February 25, 2013 at 01:13 PM
I see this more and more, this is what happens when one reads something on the internet, all of a sudden they become experts and think they know everything after watching a youtube video or googling a topic. If you believe something's a conspiracy because some guy with a camera said it on the internet, so be it but know that is the true definition of "sheep". If you believe that every major attack on America such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11 was orchestrated by the government and no one has ever legitimately attacked us, so be it. But I think you watch to many movies. Not everything's a conspiracy. Life's not that exciting.
John Gruber February 25, 2013 at 02:53 PM
this is where I will end my discussion, by destroying some credibility. G. Edward Griffin actually believes noah's ark was real and claims to know more than the doctors regarding cancer treatment. Clearly anyone who thinks like this ignores facts and reasons that contradict their beliefs. But again, you choose to believe someone with a microphone and a video camera who thinks some guy hoarded 2 of every animal on earth because god was mad. Yea, these sound like really credible people....
wayne king February 25, 2013 at 04:32 PM
He is not the only person that has exposed the fed. For you to tell me it is not a cartel of banks is ignorant. He is not the only source. Forbes magazine has confirmed the inception of the fed the way he did... So, how was that 9/11 video? You still believe the planes took the towers down along w/ WTC 7?

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