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Andrew Scott April 18, 2014 at 03:21 pm
Sorry, Mike. Wrong again. It would indeed be different if the flag in question were a swaztika, forRead More swaztikas are MUCH more widely understood for the symbol that they are. From very early on in New York - and I assume for the rest of the country - Swaztikas are understood - without question - to be symbols of death, genocide, and the Holocaust. (And please don't bring up the Jains of India.) IF the student in question had brandished a flag with a swastika, an appropriate punishment would indeed be a short suspension. I would NOT consider throwing the student out, however, unless he were also found guilty of verbal or physically harassing students, or inciting violence on campus. I WOULD hold a administrative hearing where all involved parties would be present. And then I would demand an apology from the student, one private to the school leaders, and then one made publicly to the student body. I would also make sure that the student UNDERSTOOD WHY what he did was wrong. Some sort of community service or charitable work may also be added to the penalty. This kind of response would be much more of a service to the current (former) student. It is healthier solution, and in the long run, would do far greater good than the present unforgiving, unyieldingly abhorrent alternative.
lizbeth smiley April 18, 2014 at 10:53 pm
Andrew Scott, you are spot on.
Chuck W. April 19, 2014 at 12:11 am
First off, if these kids were star football players, they would not have been expelled (editor'sRead More note: I went to Chaminade, and they pretty much always beat us). One of the things a private catholic school education is supposed to drive home is a broad knowledge of social contexts and a general sense of maturity and decorum.....this act was a complete lack of that. If anything it shows that these kids were complete knuckleheads that probably shouldn't have even made it to senior year. That said, the confederate flag, regardless of your beliefs is a legal act of free speech, just as it is to desecrate a crucifix. Kids have gotten less severe punishments for far worse behavior. A stiff suspension, ban from the prom or graduation would have been fine, maybe a message to the students. This punishment is knee jerk and reactionary.....If the Bro. Cregan's students are truly living the catholic faith, they will heal and forgive...but give them that chance.
Blind Justice April 17, 2014 at 08:57 pm
Hi there Etaoin, I am equally glad that I no longer work there. I now have a wonderful career inRead More a professional and non-discriminatory workplace. Working at that school was by far the worst professional experience of my career. Most teachers were unqualified, miserable, and jaded educators who spent more time inflating grades and complaining (justifiably so) about the abusive and non-supportive administration than they did investing in their students' academic growth. However, there are some educators there who are exceptional and very dedicated. Sadly, they are a very small minority. It also doesn't hurt that I now make more than twice what I did as a teacher. I also now have comprehensive health-care, a pension fund, as well as paid vacation and sick days. But most importantly, I am treated with the respect that every human being deserves. Although I do miss the small minority of wonderful students whom I had the honor of teaching. (They too were overjoyed to leave. They were no fools.)
2 Turn Tables April 18, 2014 at 08:01 am
Blind Justice never worked at St.Anthonys. "and those who are not practitioners of an outdatedRead More and conservative Catholic religion are treated as inferior." Is a dead giveaway. Her grammar is atrocious. She is a progressive, male hating, religion hating angry muskrat who is using this controversy to bloviate her disdain for mainstream society. If she feels that way about the Catholic faith, why did she work there in the first place? What did she expect?
Robert W April 18, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Why is it only white people can be racist? This country is going down the crapper faster than lavaRead More down a volcano!
Billy Joel applauded and smiled during at the “The River of Dreams: A Billy Joel Tribute Concert” in Glen Cove. Credit: Glen Cove School District
loving lindy April 11, 2014 at 03:38 pm
I have not been on the Patch in some time and see this nice story about Billy Joel and of courseRead More there is a negative comment by "Get Off My Lawn." Why can't you just say nothing. Why need to comment. This is why no one reads the Patch anymore. Everyone gets so tired of the toxic people. I agree with Carol H. Enough already. Nicely done Billy! Now I am officially done with this on-line news thread. So please Get Off My Lawn, educate us all how "you are entitled to your opinion." No one cares!
teena April 11, 2014 at 07:05 pm
so sick of hearing everyone blaming the parents. the show ended, the parents were all leaving (toRead More get back to work!) and billy joel was sitting right by the exit. all the parents had to pass him. the 'mob' that bothered him for autographs was teachers who brought out their soloist along with their parents. he left because half the auditorium was leaving!
Gabe Gonsalves April 14, 2014 at 10:34 am
Billy Joel is a class act.......I know him from my younger days. The man is true to his roots.
Photo: @EARizzo57 Twitter
Irish Rover April 9, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Liz, my point is a reality about home values. Not a stretch as you suggest. I know a principal whoRead More invited local realtors in for open houses to demonstrate how well the school was doing to offset the negative publicity portrayed by media. I saw firsthand parents who relocated to another school based on test scores. Parents don't trust realtors, they look on Greatschools.com and see a test score. Newspapers and news outlets report test scores, they don't take the time to break down why they schools score low let alone why they score high. Most parents won't spend the time to interview or do a walkthrough for a public school before attending.
Irish Rover April 9, 2014 at 10:53 pm
Liz, not to beat a dead horse, do your own research about test scores and home values. I think youRead More will be convinced.
Irish Rover April 9, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Disgusted, you are talking about teacher union leadership. IMO Tenure and teacher unions are killingRead More the quality of American education. Be accountable or get out of the profession.
Kwasi Enin has a tough choice to make. (Photo courtesy of the William Floyd School District)
Mrs. Sea April 6, 2014 at 09:12 am
I always have a hard time understanding why contributors to sites like this one cannot read a happy,Read More joyful, success story and not make bitter, negative and political comments. Can't you just be happy for this boy who worked hard all his life to get to this point? His self-motivation, brains, family, family history, school, community and perhaps church all contributed to his success. Be happy for and proud of Kwasi.
Scooter Libby April 6, 2014 at 09:25 am
@sea It is a wonderful story. But a major part of the story is Kwasi's race. As I stated before ifRead More all things were the same except his skin color there would be no story. Kwasii is not even the #1 ranked student at his school-there are ten ranked higher. Maybe they didn't get good SAT scores, didn't apply to these schools or did and we're not accepted. All I'm saying is that his skin color was a factor to his success.
CHRIS April 6, 2014 at 01:25 pm
Mrs Sea that would be boring. It's much more fun to dive into the story and pick it apart. It'sRead More about asking questions and finding out what your fellow Americans are thinking. Would you rather all of us blindly read a story and accept it as it is written?
Lorraine DeVita April 6, 2014 at 01:40 pm
And it was BECASUE of the warm fuzzy teacher that we spent hundreds of dollars monthly for tutors.Read More I would send her a belated bill if she is still around..
yeahitzme April 6, 2014 at 02:18 pm
We all agree what a vital impact teachers have on their students and all of our children...whoRead More surely are the future of society. We all want what is best for all and there is no one exact road or method to get there...adapting and being flexible depending on any situation is a skill that that garners best results...finding what works and building upon that will most likely have positive results. And yes...mushy is definately not the desired method of instruction and yes...those tutoring bills can add up quite fast with the going rate...Unfortunately...my child had one of those no nonsense teachers and that was the subject I was paying those tutors for...A child that shuts down...can't learn...that approach did not work for them. I am sure there is a comfortable middle ground where both firm and supportive instruction can coexist successfully for both teacher and student. I think it comes down to a respect from and for the teacher! We all know it only takes a short moment to tear something down that may have taken years to build up....Teaching is not easy in any regard...but the rewards are great...as Marion accidentally found out on Facebook when feedback from long past students confirmed...she had gotten things "right" in her instruction along the way... Great effort from all involved is required to achieve success in most cases..albeit that natural prodigy genius that is very rare to come by! May we ALL be successful...and joyful...whichever road we choose!
Lorraine DeVita April 6, 2014 at 05:52 pm
Excellent points! Going too far in either direction has consequences...mostly negative. RespectRead More to me must be earned or at the very least in some cases retained , title or position, alphabet soup before or after a name , does not automatically grant respect. The PERSON earns the respect ...... ie- .the OFFICE of the president deserves respect despite WHO is sitting in the chair, the Person who is IN the job needs to earn the respect OF the title.
Lorraine DeVita April 11, 2014 at 01:55 pm
The majority of LI parents aren't interested in STEM. It doesn't phase them, doesn't interestRead More them, probably have no clue what it is nor do they care to learn.... only interested in SPORTS- It seems we are going to have a preponderance of unemployed "wanna be" HS super star sports participants who haven't yet grasped the concept nor do they or their parents comprehend that STEM should be their objective not scoring a goal..
Lorraine DeVita April 11, 2014 at 01:57 pm
Nor do they understand that the two needn't be mutually exclusive.....
New York State Education Commissioner Dr. John King fielded angry questions and comments at a Common Core forum on Long Island in 2013.
NYCLU LHV March 19, 2014 at 03:44 pm
We will be holding a free public forum on our students' right to learn. Among the topics to beRead More discussed will be about the Common Core. Please join us at the Greenburgh Public Library on March 25 at 6:30 PM. Thank you, lowerhudsonvalley@nyclu.org
Commack Resident March 21, 2014 at 11:02 am
My son is a top student in 4th grade. He easily passed the new Common Core State ELA and Math testsRead More last year. This year, he is NOT taking them. I have no doubt he would "pass" again, but, really, is there any real value to passing a meaningless test? He consistently earns top scores on all classroom exams. He reads at an 8th grade level. He has nothing to prove, and I will not allow my 9 year old child to sit through more than 12 hours of tests to prove what we already know...he can read, write and do math at, at least, a 4th grade level. It is not kids like my son that I am concerned about. Other children are the ones hurt most by these tests. Like the little boy we know, who is one of the best math students in his grade, yet gets pulled from the classroom to attend mandatory remedial math instruction because of poor performance on last year's state tests. No one- not his parents, his teacher, or the remedial instructor-thinks this boy needs remedial instruction. Yet, it is mandatory because of a poorly written, ambiguous exam, that failed to test the concepts that the children were taught in the classroom. Many, many students are in similar situations. I am not against standardized tests in general. I allowed my son to take them last year and he performed well. Now that I realize how utterly meaningless the state tests are in their current form, and also just how many hours these poor little children are forced to sit through to take them, I am vehemently opposed to them. We have notified the school, in advance, of our decision to refuse the tests this year. I urge all parents to do the same. We will continue to refuse the tests every year, until the subject matter being tested actually has a real relationship to what the kids are being taught in the classroom, and until the 12 hour-long evaluation is reduced to a more reasonable length, one that 8 and 9 year olds can actually be expected to sit still and concentrate for.
Aidan April 11, 2014 at 10:04 pm
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/03/17/how-common-core-standards-kill-creative-teaching
Protesters stand outside of the News 12 studio in Woodbury on Monday to demand Gov. Andrew Cuomo to fix or scrap the controversial new Common Core curriculum. Credit: Monica Gleberman
Aidan April 13, 2014 at 05:56 am
Just trying to educate you … over and over again.
David April 13, 2014 at 02:18 pm
@Elsie I'll grant that it's a hard question for second grade. Students can show divisibility byRead More showing 12 being split into 4 equal parts, and again into 6 equal parts, with a diagram, but I think few second graders would get this right. Any second grader who gets this right is showing unusual mathematical talent, or at least unusual advancement in meeting common core standards. Don't we want to allow such unusual talent to be recognized? Especially in elementary grades these days, there seems so little opportunity for it these days.
Elsie April 18, 2014 at 04:23 pm
@David -- Talent should be recognized by differentiating instruction. Those 2nd graders who can doRead More this should, those who can't should be taught at a level that is more developmentally appropriate for them. There is very little room for enriching those students who should be or helping those students who need it using the Engage NY Modules. I am not a teacher but I have looked at the NY modules and the CC standards. I believe that teachers can address CC standards without the developmental inappropriateness of the NY requirements.
Ron January 30, 2014 at 10:37 am
Teachers despise CC. Parents dislike CC. Children are bored and confused. So who's to blame? Simple.Read More School administrators. Superintendents and principals are too afraid to be honest with even themselves and step to the plate and condemn Albany for forcing CC on their districts and children. They,along with the Board of Educations refuse to do the right thing and stand up against John B King Jr and his panel of $elf-justifying "experts". Shame on them.
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