Long Island Muslims Find Peace in Suburbia
Members of the Islamic community work to educate the public about the "true meaning" of their religion.
"Osama Bin Laden is Dead: Justice Has Been Served," reads the headline of a press release on the Islamic Center of Long Island's website.
In fact, many of the press releases on the site for the Westbury mosque relate to terrorism: denouncing those behind it and applauding when its perpetrators are caught. A section of one release reads: “Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism.”
Ten years after 9/11, Arab-American and Muslim communities on Long Island are growing rapidly. Interfaith events are the norm and local Muslims say Long Island’s diverse nature makes it easy to assimilate. But — and it’s a strong but — the challenge remains for those who practice Islam: make sure the actions of 19 hijackers do not tar an entire religion of an estimated 1.5 billion people worldwide.
“The average American on the street is a good person, means well, thinks well,” says Faroque Khan, who sits on the board of trustees at the ICLI, which recently received approval for a $4 million expansion project. “However, what is projected by individuals or by organizations or politicians creates a level of understandable anxiety among people who don’t have contact with Muslims.”
At Masjid Noor in Huntington, Mamoon Iqbal, a member of the mosque's management committee, says there has been growth in the number of people attending services and events every month. Besides an incident last year where someone threw a jar of nails at the mosque, Iqbal says there have been few instances of prejudice in the community.
“We have a very cordial relationship with our neighbors,” says Iqbal, later adding: “Other than that [speaking of the incident last year], the only problem we have with the community is municipal-type problems [such as parking]. If there was a store there, they would have the same problems.”
Iqbal is “as American as apple pie,” as he puts it. The 32-year-old was born and raised in New York by parents of Pakistani origin. He played intramural football at Half Hollow Hills High School East, where he was named a National Merit Scholar and graduated in the top five percent of his class. Today, Iqbal is a dentist in Queens and lives in Dix Hills with his wife and two daughters.
Iqbal says he has not personally experienced any prejudice because he is a practicing Muslim, but he knows the feelings still exist out there.
“The onus has to be on the Muslims to portray the true meaning of the religion and the way that has been taught to us by God and the Koran and the Prophet Muhammad,” he says. “This is an onus on us and it is our job to educate the entire population as to who we are, what we are.”
Asked if Muslims on Long Island worry about another 9/11-type attack and what that could mean for all the efforts to beat back prejudice against Islam, Iqbal is defiant: those hijackers weren’t Muslims. They were terrorists.
“You can’t control the actions of somebody,” he says, adding of prejudice: “Our job is to just keep slogging at it. Do the best we can. We cannot apologize for someone else’s actions, someone else’s ignorance, we cannot be pinned because that’s not us. That’s not who we are.”
A higher bar to overcome
The large growth in Long Island’s Muslim population can be attributed to a national trend among immigrants, according to Larry Levy, executive dean at the National Center for Suburban Studies at Hofstra University.
“Immigrants are moving directly from their home country to the suburbs,” Levy says, “and bypassing the cities that generations ago immigrants used to stop in.”
Although Muslims come from numerous countries with a variety of cultures and different languages, Long Island’s Islamic population has united.
“It’s not automatic that Muslims here are going to come together,” Levy explains, “but on Long Island, they have in a way that’s helped give them a sense of security, made sure that their children learn the religion even as they begin to assimilate and it’s given them a visibility in a positive way.”
When the Islamic Center of Long Island proposed its 19,000 square foot expansion—complete with 13 classrooms, a library and preschool—it brought protests from neighbors over pretty general concerns that included parking, traffic and noise.
Levy praised mosque officials and the community, including Westbury Mayor Peter Cavallaro, for eventually overcoming those objections to allow the project to move forward. But while expansion projects, religious institutions included, are often met with neighborhood objections, Levy says the shadow of 9/11 and the prejudice it brought with it still remain.
“There seems to be more of an energy behind protests that meet Muslim centers,” Levy says. “Clearly Muslims have a higher bar to overcome than people in other religious institutions in terms of gaining general acceptance and it’s no doubt based on fear and anger and misunderstanding.”
A hopeful future
A decade after the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil, Muslims on Long Island continue to grow and prosper, and are ever hopeful of a future where the words 9/11 and Islam aren’t tied so closely together.
“I’m not too bogged down on 9/11,” says Kahn, who refers to America as “the best country in the world.” “I want to do good and show what the goodness is.”
Iqbal will have that same message for his daughters if they ever experience prejudice because of the religion they practice.
“I would explain to them, listen, there are some people who don’t understand and this is just the nature of where we live right now,” Iqbal says.
“Ignorance is a shadow that can only be lit by knowledge,” he says of what he will impart on his children. “It’s your job to put forth and be an ambassador…you win them over with good behavior.”
Vito
11:40 am on Friday, September 9, 2011
I deleted my comments because they were responding to other that were deleted by administrator and no longer made sense. Why bother posting controversial topics or even allowing comment if you delete anything that says more than.."Have a nice day".
What a useless web site.
Bill Abbott
11:43 am on Friday, September 9, 2011
Vito Ditto. Patch you are brand new and losing credibility by censoring your readers! AMAZING.
James M.
1:59 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Patch is doing there job which if you read the disclaimer for the site it says they reserve the right to remove comments. CNN and all the live boards do the same thing to more or less of a degree.
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john laberta
3:46 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Everyone on Long Island as well as the rest of the country are going to liberalize and politically correct themselves to death. We are hated my islamic extremests and moderates don't care enough or are too scared to do anything about thier significant hateful sect. They want to kill you and your children. Don't forget it.
AK
3:55 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
John Laberta: Political correctness is not the cause of this. A long history of the US instigating Middle Eastern conflicts and an easily brainwashed, overpatriotic populace bent on imperialism is the cause.
Vito
11:47 am on Friday, September 9, 2011
Just lock the comments if you are going to delete everything that is posted.
Deborah G Flynn
8:37 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Don't listen to the Libs, there is a reason for Xenophobia in regards to the Muslims. They are NOT a religion of peace and a few that do practice moderation will be the first to ally themselves with the Muslims that are not when provoked. These attacks are not just random acts of violence they are a well planned stratgy that is looking to kill Americans. 1000's of incidents with Muslims as compared to the few whackos of others. Anyone who thinks I;m wrong can say so.
Irene
12:11 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Figures, the patch doesn't want to post the truth because the truth in the new hate speech in America. Two minutes ago there were 21 comments, now it's 20 but only 4 are showing up. Censorship is un-American!
James M.
1:57 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
You don't know much about the history of America if you can say "Censorship is un-American"
AK
3:27 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
J. Marshall: Thank you, once upon a time, other nationalities were subject to the same scorn: the Jewish, Irish, Italians, Germans, Africans and so on. But efficient whitewashing has made us forget this and we're making the same mistakes over and over.
Henry Powderly
12:15 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Commenters,
Earlier in this comment strain, the community flagged a comment that they found to be offensive, and as a result the comment was taken down. However, that caused all of the responses to vanish as well. We at Patch do not remove comments unless they violate our terms of service, but we empower the community to help moderate the discussion via the flagging tool. If too many people flag a comment, it disappears. We appreciate your input on this sensitive topic and thank you for helping keep the discussion civil.
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Henry Powderly
Patch Regional Editor
Deborah G Flynn
8:39 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Then you are censoring. If you want lively political debate you have to be able to take STRONGF oopinions of strong minded people. Let everyone have the same ability to post and speak. America is all about free speech if any Muslim wants to jump in and tell us hw we are wrong I'd like to hear it. So far they remain as always lurking and plotting in the background.
Irene
12:24 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Mr. Schmitt is 150% correct. Truth is the new hate speech. So people who read a blog and don't agree get to have a post removed? Protected speech should be a right for all readers, and telling the truth is not wrong! America, ask yourself, why after 9/11, is there a huge Muslim push into this western country known as the United States of America. Look at Europe and learn your lessons!
Deborah G Flynn
8:42 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Yes he is. If Americans don't rail against the Muslim scourge and the Patriots don't stand up for America as the Liberals want to PC our flag our God and the tenets we stand for will wipe AMerica off the face of the map. Our Preidient doesn't help he is NOT a patriot but rather a man who wants to be king on the world stage where he can push his Marxist agenda. I sure don't want the minisrty of fear running my life. The libs are perfectly happy being clones and hugging trees.
Jim R.
12:39 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
As my father said on 9/11... "I came to this country from Iran to escape Islamic fundamentals but they followed me here.". Basically, we're screwed. You had Muslim communities across NY cheering when the Towers went down.
AK
3:04 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
And you had people like Jerry Falwell cheering 9/11 and saying it's God's judgment. What's your point, xenophobe?
Jim R.
3:23 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
AK - Do you know what xenophobe means?
AK
3:42 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
"an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers" -sounds like it fits here since you're American and you have an unreasonable fear of Islam
Now remember Iran, remember how the US overthrew a democratically elected gov't in 1953? And remember that the US installed replacement was a dictator by the name of Pahlavi? And then Khomeini started as an opponent to that brand of dictatorship and a dictator beget another dictator with opposing beliefs. Destabilization causes fundamentalism not inherent traits of Muslims or Christians or Jews.
So long have Western governments treated the Middle East as their playground. We should expect blowback when we're instigators and just as bad if not worse than our foes.
Deborah G Flynn
8:45 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Number one Jeery Falwell isn't the point here. The MUSLIMS were cheering. If I were a cop I;d have arressted them all and damn the consequences. Americans should have marched right into those cheering crowds and wipe the smiles off their faces. No patriots did that. If I could have found a bunch I;d have led them into their communities and run them out of toen with bats and stones. Just like they trewat people who dont follow their beliefs. They get our freedoms then kill us. Nice work Liberals.You did this to AMerica.
David D'Agostino
12:55 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
It is unfortunate that all comments were removed. It is truly unbelievable how vile, arrogant and downright bigoted some of these comments have been. That so many are trying to paint all Muslims as terrorists is not only anti-Muslim and anti-American but a slap in the face to all of those who died on 9/11 and the exact opposite of the American values of acceptance of all faiths and colors.
Mr. Saleh, I am sorry that so many people have completely missed the point. Unfortunately, more often than not, the most outspoken among us are the most ignorant and hateful.
Irene
1:04 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Actually, Mr. Marshall it is people like you and your own brand of hate who are missing the danger right in front of your face. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, you are clearly pandering to the PC tolerance shut your mouth, don't speak the truth haters of this nation. Only your speech is protected speech.
No one needs to define for me what my eyes see and my ears hear, especially in the past ten years post 9/11. Do your homework! There is a huge Islamic push in this country and it's people like you who are dangerous, wearing those "rose colored glasses" and refuse to see your own nose on your own face. Keep on attacking the truth messengers. Nothing shocks me anymore! Truth is the new hate speech!
James M.
1:38 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
It could have nothing to do with the troubles in predominately Muslim countries occurring right now. ::Sarcasm::
My Great Grandmother came over from her country before WWI because of the troubles in her country and so did many other immigrants of the time. It is no surprise they chose to come to America where there is some tolerance for immigrants (well except from people like Irene)
AK
3:13 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
The US has been getting involved in everyone's affairs since they burst upon the international scene - and the Middle East is prime among these. The Arab countries have had their countries destabilized by Western imperialism (UK and US specifically), a charismatic person with bad intentions stirred fundamentalism, focused it towards their oppressors and some took it into their own hands. It's like abusing an animal, sooner or later, it'll bite you when you try to smack it one time too many. And now you're thinking just like Al-Qaeda except you're a white American and "Christian".
Irene
1:08 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Answer the question, Mr. all knowing and all seeing. Why the Islamic push in America post 9/11? Let's see what you know genius.
James M.
1:39 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I'm not all knowing and all seeing just smarter and more willing to see reality than you.
AK
3:15 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Because of knee jerk reactionaries like you painting the world's largest religion with a broad stroke based on the actions of a few individuals?
Take your xenophobic trash elsewhere.
lisa costello
1:15 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
holy s,what a bunch of lunatics!
Jeanne
9:21 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I agree. I just had to keep reading to see in how many posts AK would use the word "xenophobe". He must have one of those "word of the day" calendars.
Irene
1:19 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
You people think that calling us truth tellers names will "shame us" into shutting up.
Seriously? Besides that pathetic and old tactic of how people like you are completely unconcerned with the verification of “facts”, actually you deny it and you ignore it! I say keep on ignoring it. I agree that you can ignore evil, but you cannot avoid the consequences of ignoring evil. That is my freedom of speech and thought!
Kate T.
1:39 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
This article leaves out the other side. The Muslim religion is all about keeping basic human rights away from women. France had it right when they banned the burqua. They stated how could we be a country who espouses freedom and yet allows a group to keep basic human rights away from women? How can America state that they support the Muslim religion? Any religion which does not allow basic freedoms to women, the right to dress they way they choose, to marry who they choose, to attend higher learning, does not deserve the protection of "religious" freedom. In addition, I guarantee you will find in the next ten years someone from this mosque who has committed crimes against Americans. If you can't, or refuse, to assimiliate into American society then you don't deserve the protections of American citizens.
James M.
1:53 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Let's go after the Amish, Hasidim, Born Again Christians, Buddhists, Wiccan, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics and numerous other religions then. All of these religions suppress their female populations including their role in a marriage how they dress and who they can marry. So please jump off your high horse and admit you just don't like Muslims because of the terrorist attacks of 9/11.
I know a bunch of Jewish people from a synagogue that have committed crimes against Americans they separate themselves from the Christians in the neighborhood. I know a number of Catholics from the same Church that have committed crimes against Americans and they only do Catholic things and don't integrate into the rest of the community.
Kate. Your statements are sophomoric, bigoted and ill thought out. Each one of those arguments can easily and logically be extended to 90% of Western religions and shows the farcical intent of your posting.
Kelly Glancy Mandia
2:24 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Islam and its central tenets are among the most peaceful of the major religions in the modern world. Like every faith, there are fanatics and extremists who warp and misinterpret the meanings within their holy books - just like Timothy McVeigh and the Ku Klux Klan did with Christianity. Therefore, should we ban Christian churches and make its followers outcasts from our neighborhoods, too, because of the actions of a few extremists? What makes this country great is that we are a collection of diverse individuals who can take a hit (i.e. 9/11), rebuild, and still be the greatest *free* nation on the planet.
One is either for or against the 1st Amendment - one cannot be selective. It is the diverse religious background of those who sought freedom from persecution when they settled in America that established the foundation of the protections guaranteed under the 1st Amendment.
Kate T.
2:43 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
It must be nice to go through life like J. Marshall and believe you are all knowing and all correct. The Chancellor of Germany must also be sophmoric, bigoted and ill spoken. I respect your point but disagree. When Muslims wish to follow Sharia law, and use it as a defense in American courts (ie case in NJ), I believe then my statements are backed up by actual truth. You are correct that other faiths subjugate women, ie the Hasidic. However, they don't kill their women in the name of religion or honor killings. I am sure you have not received nor read about these killings since I guess you believe everything the NY Times tells you. However, if you do a search, you'll see its a real problem. Perhaps you should read some articles by Doug Sanders or the book Veiled Courage. It's men like you who sit back and do nothing why women are raped, tortured, abused, sold at the age of 14, because they think they are doing the right thing in the name of religion which do an injustice to our founding fathers.
Your attitude towards others who differ from you speaks to the smallness of your mind and your willingness to learn new things. I imagine other parts of you are small too.
Jim R.
3:14 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
+1 Kate, good post.
James M.
5:44 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Did you know that Rabbinic law can be cited in US courts? The Sharia law case was reversed on appeal and should never have been considered. How is the Chancellor of Germany relevent?
The fact that you "believe" what you are saying is fact does not make it so. Hasidim have been known to perform some very gruesome things in the name of honor just as many religions not just Muslim. I have read about those killings and find them disturbing. However, to make a blanket statement about all Muslims based on this is childish. You could just as easily say all White Women that live at home kill their daughters because of the Casey Anthony trial or all Black men kill their white wives because of the OJ Simpson trial. It's simply not true, not all Muslims are extremists. People like you and Irene are the people that Muslims are afraid and the dumb Americans the world laughs at. Kate I'm sure you voted for Bush twice and joined the Tea Party as soon as a Black man was elected but understand not all Muslims are the same just like all whites aren't racists and all men don't hate women and all children are not evil.
Mary Beth
2:55 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
The hate and ignorance displayed in a number of these posts is more harmful to America than any terrorist group could ever hope to be.
Irene
3:12 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Really Mary Beth, this country has had nothing but peace for as long as I have been alive. My parents recall nothing but peace. My grandparents also. So tell me what in the world are you smoking? Jews and Christians have been living next door to one another is complete peace and our nation has never known the likes of Islam as we are faced with today WHAT SO EVER! This push in America is about as far from reality than any of us posting here have ever known. Islam and the western world are not compatible period. It's not because WE as Americans are difficult, it's because Islam has a plan to infiltrate every western country and destroy it's miserable house from within.
AK
3:49 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
"Really Mary Beth, this country has had nothing but peace for as long as I have been alive. My parents recall nothing but peace. My grandparents also."
- except us meddling in overseas affairs for the past 100 years or so, it's just until recently, North America was too far away for effective attacks
"So tell me what in the world are you smoking? Jews and Christians have been living next door to one another is complete peace and our nation has never known the likes of Islam as we are faced with today WHAT SO EVER!"
- Except you know, the KKK and other hate groups. Whoops/
"This push in America is about as far from reality than any of us posting here have ever known."
- Well, it's not my fault you have the memory of a goldfish.
"Islam and the western world are not compatible period. It's not because WE as Americans are difficult, it's because Islam has a plan to infiltrate every western country and destroy it's miserable house from within."
The American and other Western governments have been infiltrating other countries for far longer than any Islam country in the name of "capitalism" or the vaguely defined "freedom" or whatever the cause celebre is now. We got a taste of our own medicine. And now we're seeing the infancy of our own Al-Qaeda based within the Tea Party and other conservative groups.
James M.
5:59 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Irene must have missed all those History classes
Haig
2:59 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Not to mention that 62% of the muslims in the U.S. sympathize with the suicide bombings. Oh, and another thing, it's OK to kill your 14 daughter if she gets raped.
By the way the koran says that anyone who isn't muslim is an infidel, and therefore must be killed. Religion of peace, my azz.
Jim R.
3:13 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Haig - Hye es?
AK
3:49 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Source for your poorly worded opinion?
James M.
6:02 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Where did you pull that statistic from?
And according to evangilists killing your son if he's gay isn't wrong.
Evangelists also say if you do not believe in their Jesus you are going to hell.
Deborah G Flynn
8:46 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Yes but the Liberals want them to do that.
Irene
3:00 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I figured you couldn't answer my question about the Islamic push into America.
James M.
5:48 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Actually I did. It's OK. Try watching Malcom X or the Five Pillars of Islam or Road to Mecca to better understand Muslims.
Just so you know Irene you ancestors came to America in much the same way as modern muslims.
Haig
3:20 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
to Jim - yes
Jim R.
3:26 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
@Haig - Yes a Hye em. Oor gabreek?
EditProfile
3:27 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Lets stop apologizing for the truth.
Islam is at its heart a violent political movement and has been for 1400 years.
The reason folks have a poor view of Islam is that they know it although pandering patsies in the media wont point that out.
AK
3:51 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
So has Christianity and Judaism...everything can be and will be twisted for violent purposes. Religion, economic systems, race and so on...it's hardly an Islamic thing.
Irene
4:33 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Someone once suggested to me that liberalism is a mental disorder. But I think it's a severe form of self loathing.
Irene
4:24 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
So AK what you are saying is that you sympathize with the jihadists? The KKK slammed planes into what building, into what field? The KKK murders their own daughters and wives in the name of Allah. This group you refer to with such an innocent profile until bad America stepped in has been subjugating it's female population with pure misogynistic fury and guess what? America can't take credit for that. Now what?
James M.
6:03 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Actually the KKK was known to kill their daughters if they slept with a black man.
AK
6:11 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I'm not saying I'm sympathazing with them, I say it's a natural reaction when they've been terrorized by our military and foreign policy. How about innocent victims of the Iraq war like the thousands of Iraqi civilians that had no involvement in any violence and just lived their lives.
Irene
4:31 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Oh and Ak since you are so personally aware of other hate groups, inform me which hate group in particular are you most offended by and what did they do to you in a signifcant and personal way? Where are they located and how many of them are there? Are they infiltrating the workplace? Demanding special prayer time.
Are they spilling out of churches and blocking city streets to pray? Are they going into the American court system and asking for the application of the Sharia? Are they demanding special halal food in the workplace cafeterias or going to school boards and asking for special prayer time for their children in a public school. Are they forcing their children to fast all day, and complaining when special accomodations aren't being made for their children to sit in the library and pray during their fast time for Ramadan? That by the ways resembles child abuse.
Sending a child to school all day while on a religious fast? Pretty out there, backward and UNHEALTHY!
James M.
6:10 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Actually Jews require to leave early on Fridays and take Jewish Holidays off for religious reasons. Certain Christian Sects need to pray 3 times a day the same as Daniel in the Bible. Certain churches do spill out into the street during Easter and Christmas some Synagogues do during Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Vegetarians have been demanding certain foods for years so have Jewish people that require separate dairy and meat. Jews require their children to fast during the high holy days.
Irene you don't know much about Judaism or the Islamic faith.
AK
6:16 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Are they spilling out of churches and blocking city streets to pray?
- See Rick Perry and various other prayer sessions.
Are they going into the American court system and asking for the application of the Sharia?
- Are we going into our court system and asking for application of Biblical law? See anti-gay legislation.
Are they demanding special halal food in the workplace cafeterias or going to school boards and asking for special prayer time for their children in a public school.
- See kosher food or fish on Fridays and the Pledge of Allegiance including "under God" - pushed by the Knights of Columbus.
Are they forcing their children to fast all day, and complaining when special accomodations aren't being made for their children to sit in the library and pray during their fast time for Ramadan? That by the ways resembles child abuse.
- Jewish people do the same thing.
Irene sounds like someone who confuses accommodation for indoctrination. And wants everyone to be just like her.
AK
8:03 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I don't belong to any groups but thanks for playing. Best way to deflect criticism is ad hominem attacks and to accuse your opponents of the same thing you do.
Bill
5:26 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
10 years ago, radical Muslims killed nearly 3000 innocent American civilians. Largely they did not attack our military or our leaders, but our innocent populace. That is all I need to know about Islam. I find it offensive and condescending for any Muslim to feel obligated to teach me more about their religion. Would they like to know more about mine? Muslim's should spend their time teaching their own about the peaceful interpretation of Islam, ferreting out extremists in their own congregations and loudly denouncing any hate filled preaching that they may encouner in their Mosque's. This would go a long way towards their acceptance in our culture and be more productive than remiding the rest of us that they are entitled to the same American freedoms that their Brothers hate us for.
AK
6:18 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
"That's all I need to know about Islam" - not needing to know why Islamic fundamentalism grew into a threat, not needing to know decades of Western oppression left the Middle East susceptible to charismatic leaders brainwashing a few into violence
...holy moly, sounds like what's happening here with the Tea Party
Irene
7:26 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
The truth is the new hate speech. These lib's aren't willing to say in 2011 we have a problem and It's not native to America. If you read the posts here with the bleeding hearts calling names and attacking those of us who tell the truth, you can see how infected our own country has gotten. My heart breaks for those who went to work, whose hopes and dreams were shattered in a single day. According to AK we should understand and we should sympathize. I didn't do anything in my life to experience this brand of evil and neither did any civilian murdered that day.
AK
8:01 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
But you elected Reagans and Bushes and Clintons who did help push disastrous foreign policies. You blame mainstream Islam for the faults of a miniscule percentage of its followers. You show not compassion but anger and fear. And you do reap what you sow.
...if there was such a thing as the just-world hypothesis, which there is not. Whoops.
Deborah G Flynn
8:53 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
They don't want to know a thing about you, they do not pledge alligience to the Flag of America, they use our freedoms to pledge alliegience to their ALLAH only. Any time you get a Muslim in the Military they try and find a way to kill theoir compatriots. This is saick why are Liberals defending them? No other culture has tried to come to America to Kill.
Shlomo_Jackson
5:49 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
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Islam Wants You Dead.
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Deal With It.
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AK
6:20 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
So does Christianity. Look how focused Christians are on not good works or being nice, but hellfire and damnation and persecution. Islam and Christianity are not that different.
James M.
5:56 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Irene Jim Haig Vito and Kate.
Thank you so much for being the exact people that intelligent tolerant people have feared since the days of civil rights movement. Your ignorant, ridiculous comments make me sad and scared for the future of Long Island and America.
dennis belcher
4:58 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
AMEN!!!!!
Mary Beth
6:16 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
This discussion has become so sickeningly hateful I cannot read more. Those of you spewing your ignorant hate of fellow Americans should be ashamed of yourselves, but I will gladly leave you to wallow in your shared stupidity. This site has been overrun by far right extremists. Shlomo, Irene, Vito, Kate and Jim should be put on a government watch list. Patch used to be a place for sane dialogue - I am deleting my bookmark.
AK
6:24 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Mary Beth, did you know some right-wing groups pay people to post their hateful diatribe to make it seem like they're more numerous than they are? Search on news about HBGary
Deborah G Flynn
8:57 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Bye Bye no one will miss you when truth has become distateful to you and called hate speech. The voice of America is becoming deafening and rising up to stop all the lIberal PC nonsense. I hope conservatives everywhere stand up now and tell the world EXACTLY what we are . Freedom loving free speech welcoming people of all creeds as long as they are willing to become an AMERICAN not a Hate filled group bent on America's destruction or changing it to their likes and laws
Mir Imran
6:32 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
People like “ KATE T” AND millions of people in the West, when you say "Islam," the first mental image that pops into mind A woman covered head to toe in a burqa. The truth is, if you could suddenly gather all of the Muslim women on the planet into one giant room and had to throw a football to someone wearing a burqa, it'd be next to impossible to complete that pass. AND since you mentioned France, in France they have about 3 million Muslim women. French police decided to figure out how many of them wore burqas, and founf the number to be ... .367. Not 367,000, but 367, a number so small that from a statistical point of view, it's barely enough to register as a margin of error.
Yes, there are Middle Eastern countries where the veils are required by law (namely Iran and Saudi Arabia) and combined those countries have less than 5 percent of the world's Muslims. There are actually more Muslim countries that outright ban the wearing of the veils than there are that require them. They can do that because wearing a veil is not required in Islam but is more of a custom, depending on where you live and who's in charge.
Hey, speaking of which, try this number on for size: Of the five most populous Muslim-majority nations, four of them have elected female heads of state.
So there's a fantastic chance that in 2012, Sarah Palin will be campaigning for an achievement that Muslim ladies have already accomplished.
dennis belcher
5:12 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Sarah Palin is president when soccer is americas game
rena damon
6:56 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Perhaps we could all take a few minutes to wish for peace, respect and tolerance around the world. There is an old song or saying in an old movie ("South Pacific", I think) along the lines of "you've got to be taught to hate." Much fanaticism likely comes out of being taught to hate.
AK
8:08 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
However, sometimes people don't know they're being taught to hate. They're unwitting pawns to someone else's ulterior motives or whims or even their neglect.
You can be the nicest person but if someone takes advantage of you in ways insusceptible to you...you can do bad things. Critical thinking skills help set up a defense to this.
dennis belcher
4:42 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
many ppl are taught to hate and have no idea what they are gettin into do you really think 8/9/10/11/12/13/14 year old kids are doing they are told they will doin a great service for there country and will be beloved by there country and ALLAH they are brainwashed into thinking they are into evil and giving there lives for it osama didnt give his live he went runnin for the hills the coward piece of trash he WAS but any1 or being he would send out to kill Americans including a true hero Andrew Jordan F.D.N.Y. and a clas act Joe Corbet class of 91 West Islip a friend to all and engaged to my neighbor Felicia Turner,Joe was a true kind hearted soul who deserved anything but what happened to him same as Andrew Jordan..if it were up to me osama woulda been takin alive and put thru hell again an again an again that dirty hate filled cockroach...then givin a slow yet VERY painfilled death.....and at the brink of death let him live and start all over again....kill his wives and kids in front of him........JOE and ANDREW you will NEVER be forgotten......you both are true AMERICANS GOD BLESS YOU
Amy
7:03 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Thank you Mir Imran, for your educated and enlightening post. And Rena, I couldn't agree more. Peace.
Bill
7:21 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
AK - That's all I need to know about Islam" - not needing to know why Islamic fundamentalism grew into a threat, not needing to know decades of Western oppression left the Middle East susceptible to charismatic leaders brainwashing a few into violence
...holy moly, sounds like what's happening here with the Tea Party
Sorry, but you are trying to rationalize terrorism, there is no ratinonalization for terrorism. The 3000 victims didn't oppress anyone. You are an apologist pig who would rather find some arcane blame in Western culture that accept the fact radical Muslims are wholly responsible. One's man's "Charismatic leaders" i.e. Hitler, Musolini, Stalin are another man's despots.
AK
7:57 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Bill - "The only terrorism that's right is my terrorism" - look at Peter King, who's so gung ho about the "threat of radical Islam" but supports the IRA. Americans are not innocent, we've been meddling in everyone's affairs and it's brought pain for us in terms of terrorism and economic crises. We helped create the monster but we want to continue to instigate more and create more backlash against us.
And there were people from Cantor Fitzgerald in there, who have made millions (and more) from exploiting the innocent. Now murder's still very immoral, but there were many in the 3000 that were not angels.
Remember, actions have consequences and our warmongering does have consequences. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Irene
7:51 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
AK, you said "I'm not saying I'm sympathazing with them, I say it's a natural reaction when they've been terrorized by our military and foreign policy. How about innocent victims of the Iraq war like the thousands of Iraqi civilians that had no involvement in any violence and just lived their lives."
Oh well then please don't attack me, because of my "natural reaction" caused by the terror attacks on 9/11/2001, and on February 26, 1993 on the Twin towers,which effected me personally. Or the attack on the USS Cole, or the Fort Hood attack, 13 innocent soldiers died at the hands of Nadal Hassan, Soldier of Allah. His copycat brother of Allah attack was recently thwarted, and in the courtroom the would be assassin praised Nadal Hassan.The Christmas day balls bomber on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. A Muslim convert shot down two recruits in Tennessee. A car bomb discovered in Times Square recently. A suicide bomb thwarted at a Christmas Tree lighting in Oregon. So you see AK, it seems as though you should be defending me as hard as you are defending and sympathizing and rationalizing terrorism brought into the US by Jihadis Muslims who hate America. My reaction is just as natural.
AK
8:16 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Your pain is understandable but reacting with hate in the other way only causes pain for both sides. I don't rationalize terrorism...I see what causes terrorism and fundamentalism. And our foreign policies have created an environment where we're susceptible to things like 9/11. And responding with hate doesn't cure what heartbreak you may have suffered. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and our foreign policy is helping increase this sentiment.
Islam is not inherently evil...by your standards, Christianity, Judaism and so on would also be evil. Things are not inherently good or evil, we create our own monsters.
Shlomo_Jackson
8:37 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/274683/dangerous_percentage_25_of_young_muslim.html?cat=7
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Good News!
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Only 25% of American Muslims (Not Iraqi, Not Afghani Not Iranian, but American Muslims) want you DEAD.
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Let’s hear it for Multi- Culturalism.
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Yeah!
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Shlomo_Jackson
6:11 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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Only 25% of American Muslims want you dead
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Numbers don’t lie.
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Hip-Hip---Horaaaaay!
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This is called Assimilation…baby!
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Deborah G Flynn
8:13 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Multi culturalism has been the demise of many great nations. When you do n
ot have the immigrants assimilating into your culture and want their culture to become the ruling class then you have anarchy. Every country that has been liberal is now in Chaos. We are rreachinmg that point where interlopers demand they be heard legal or not. The problem with OBAMA being a Muslim is that he is a dishonest one at best. He hides it then tries to inflict it on us therough Political Correctness. Last time I looked this was still America and we should be saying EXACTLY what we think without censorship and with all the concern that is warranted with the lack of repsonse by Muslim Leadership. If they came out ienforce and decried the terror then and only then will they be accepted wholeheartly.
Irene
8:41 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Yeah, AK my reaction is natural. No less than those you have spent this entire thread protecting. My loyalty is to the United States. Islam has spread it error and evil for 1400 years. No country around the entire globe is free from Islam. They hate and hate and hate some more and you dare talk to me about anything I say? I am an American who has lived a decent and moral life. I am now awake, thanks in whole to the threat of Islam upon the west. The mere fact that you want rationalize things so that we in America can ACCEPT our fate is quite frankly, in a word, NUTS!
Good night!
AK
9:31 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
My loyalty is to the entire world. Islam isn't inherently evil, it's basically Christianity/Judaism from another perspective. They view Jesus Christ as a prophet, a large percentage are peaceful and a small percentage are used for bad purposes. You may have led a decent and moral life but you support immoral policies. Islam wasn't a problem for the US in the 1700s and 1800s, hell, Thomas Jefferson was friendly with them. The threat is fundamentalism in all shapes (Islam, Christian, Judaism) not Islam. So take your hateful trash elsewhere.
Joe S
8:56 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
@Shlomo_Jackson: That's 25% of 18 and 19 years olds. If you're trying to present a cogent argument, at least get the facts straight.
@Irene: Still waiting for your solution. Internment camps? Gas chambers? Ovens?
AK
9:39 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Joe S: She doesn't have an original thought in her mind.
Shlomo_Jackson
6:14 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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You are correct.
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The percentage of older American Muslims who want you Dead is Even Much Larger.
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Thank You for pointing that out.
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We Love Multi- Culturalsim!
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Bill
9:41 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I don't care if you are Muslim or Northern Irish Catholic if you use murder as political leverage you are a terrorist. Don't compare western capitalism, or international business to terrorism. Most Americans are very tired of hearing about the poor people we have exploited around the globe that hate us for it. In reality we have helped more than we have harmed but people like you you who want to find an excuse for the World's problems continue to blame us for intangible wrongs. More often than not these poor people's you claim we have harmed are exploited by their own corrupt governments or they are suffering due their inability to move their civilization and society beyond prehistoric tribal warfare. If western culture is so hated and we are so villanous than why do so many Muslims and others flock to our shores for a better life? Your own argument is that it is only a radical minority that is extremist, doesn't that tell you that the vast majority of Muslims are fair, honest, peace loving people? Who is right the vast majority who condemn terrorism or the few who feel our exploitation justifies their cowardly murderous acts?
AK
10:04 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I don't offer justification, I offer a likely cause and explanation of it. We see the symptoms but if we don't know what the cause is or how to treat the cause, how can we treat it? Systemic inequality, war mongering, all that have consequences. But you rather root blindly for Western culture's rewards rather than realize it also has all too real consequences. Most of civilization wants to live in peace but those in power make moves that threaten that. I don't support terrorism but it is one of those actions that are a result of unneeded conflict. Our foreign policy is based on warmongering for power and resources and this type of terrorism is a reaction to that.
I don't defend terrorism but I don't blindly act out in rage like some people here (Irene). And warmongering and then raging when there are consequences to our warmongering is downright idiotic. That only assures we'll make even more idiotic decisions and stir up more terrorism. It's a fight no one can win.
CJ
10:28 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
I have no answers to this debate, but a key takeaway from the article is Iqbal's statement: "those hijackers weren’t Muslims. They were terrorists. " I think what confuses some people may be the point raised in another article.
http://www.businessinsider.com/needed-a-charismatic-muslim-leader-to-denounce-jihad-and-september-11-as-despicable-2010-10.
Intelligent and civil thoughts appreciated.
AK
11:21 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Exactly, they were not representing Islam in good faith. Nor were they born terrorists...they were made into these monsters, and American foreign policy had a huge role in that.
Michael R.
10:45 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
The moderators of the patch need to stop censoring our comments unless they are threatening or very inflammatory, THIS IS NOT COMMUNIST RUSSIA. We should be able to argue with one another without having a left wing liberal communist editing our comments!
AK
11:18 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Read this: http://www.patch.com/terms
They can remove whatever they want, you can choose not to post here.
It's like this at every site's forum, left-wing, right-wing, non-political, political, so don't call the moderators of this site some outdated Cold War relic insult.
Tanii C.
11:19 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Why do so many people use the word liberal like its a nasty disease?
Shlomo_Jackson
6:15 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Tanii Chin
"Why do so many people use the word liberal like its a nasty disease?"
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Because...it is.
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Tanii C.
11:29 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
It saddens me that people can blindly hate so deeply. To hate ALL Muslims because of the actions of a small percentage of extremists is just craziness. Should we hate all Catholics because some of their priests are pedophiles? Should we hate all white Army Vets because one blew up a building/daycare center in Oklahoma?
AK
11:32 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
Thank you for reason, Tanii
AK
11:30 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011
They've been indoctrinated knowingly (and unknowingly) by the media, government and basically anyone in a position of power to have a knee jerk reaction to anything left of Reagan (who'd probably be called liberal now). They vote against their own interests and poison the well. They are true traitors to our country - unknowingly handing over the country to big business and getting nothing in return except for pain.
Tanii C.
12:45 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
I think what gets American's goat about the 9/11 attacks is that it happened here on American soil by “heathens” none the less and our very young and very arrogant country got a small taste of what it dishes out at the unfortunate expense of innocents. How many innocents have died in US lead bombing abroad? How many died due to US supported/installed Dictators?
Do I condone what this group of insane Muslim extremists did in the name of Allah? , no. Just like I don't condone the US's terrorist actions done in the name of Democracy. Each group thinks they are right and the other wrong. The only people that truly suffer are the innocents because they are the expendable ones, 3000 Americans on 9/11,hundreds of thousands in the Middle East, Africa, Japan, South America....It would be nice if one day the actual loud mouths with the ideological differences stopped using innocent fodder and fought their battles themselves...
AK
2:41 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
The loud mouths with the ideological differences in power always try to expand their military and economic influence whether it be by force or exploitation. Unfortunately, they find willing and unwilling pawns through propaganda ("if you're Islamic/liberal/not mainstream, terrorists win") and jingoism (watch the NFL this weekend, patriotic songs and fighter jets galore). Then the unwilling pawns and the spectators end up as the victims.
Irene has to realize hate begets hate and her opinions in concert with a large portion of others' opinion will hurt her or her relatives or innocent people in the future. Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do", he didn't say to respond in rage and hold a grudge.
Shlomo_Jackson
6:43 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/holland_kills_the_multiculturalism_that_is_killing_it
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Holland kills the multiculturalism that is killing it
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The Netherlands, where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism:
The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.
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...Oh Well...Better Luck Next Time.
Tanii C.
9:00 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Then we need to round up all the Hasidim because they have created a parallel society in NY. As a matter of fact we need to round up every ethnic enclave because they aren't assimilating into American culture. But what exactly is American culture? It's not tolerance, or acceptance it's more like hatred and exclusivity. America thinks it's a white/Christian society but it's not. It's a stolen homeland(just ask the small pockets of remaining natives) undergoing a change to the status quo. America is a melting pot where nothing wants to melt, everyone wants to be "blank" American. I used to be really sad that I couldn't align myself with particular ethnic group, I'm not white/black/chinese/native indian enough, but maybe it's all for the best because I have no particular love or hate for any group...
Deborah G Flynn
8:18 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
I think they are 100% of Mulims want to get the heck out of Dodge and move to a FREE nation then they either adapt and assimilate or gop back to the rat infested land they came from. They want ALL the perks but on their terms. Ain;t happening JHackson. Just like these illegals protesting for their "rights" when they have no right to. The stupid liberals in this country trying so hard to be PC are destroying not only our culture but putting us in harms way. The little Mosque next door is breeding radicals, the illegals want rights, and our President wants to take our tax dollars and give it to them. WHen do we have a say? Only with free speech . Censorship is not helping freedoms.
Concerned
7:00 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Everyone,
Please read the book by Ayaan Hirsi Ali "Infidel". it's an alarming book that provides insights into the cradle of Islam and how it treats women and anyone who in anyway speak for reforms.
Shlomo_Jackson
8:17 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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That was a fantastic book.
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Other books that describe the Truth about Islam include:
Londonistan…Melanie Phillips
A Never Ending War….Michael Cappi
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Concerned
7:32 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Once you have read Infidel you will begin to understand the complexity of Islam and it's deep rooted traditions, beliefs, absolute non separation of church and state, it's abuse of women and rejection of a pluralistic society. The book speaks not to US moderate Islam but to the cradle being Saudi Arabia. It leaves you questioning if US moderate Islam is the answer for reform or is it on a journey to true Islam as practiced in Saudi Arabia. It show how destructive Islam has been in the Netherlands. The Dutch celebrated their pluralistic society, but now it fears the influence of non tolerant Islam in the country. Yes the US foreign policy has caused hatred in the Arab world and our policies have had tragic consequences, but to blame the US or any outside influence on the beliefs of Islam as practiced in some countries is naive at best or uninformed. So read the book. Also read "Growing up Bin Laden" by Osama Bin Laden's sister. Another look into the cradle of Islam.
Irene
7:59 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Irene is up now, AK. You and a few others here are desensitized. Did you work at ground zero? Do you have any degree of knowledge just exactly it was like down at ground zero the moment of impact and beyond. I do.
No one has answered for me with any legitimate logical reason why the sudden, aggressive, Muslim push to spread out, here in the USA, creating Ummah's like in Dar al Islam?
All of the 15,817 Islamic attacks since 911, around the globe, has had the imprimatur of a Muslim cleric. Imam Al-Awlaki was the go-to Muslim cleric for reporters after 911; he was the same imam who guided the 911 Muslim attackers to commit jihad. Al-Awaki was the "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept. 11, 2001. He guided the Fort Hood Major Muslim, the Christmas day bomber. He was the imam at the Dar al Hijreh mosque while being the go-to Muslim for the media. Exactly like the un-indicted co-conspirator, Hamas groups, CAIR and ISNA being the go-to guys for the media now. Al-Awlaki being the go-to guy for the media right after 911 best exhibits the practice of taqiyya.
Taqiyya, is a special type of LYING that is taught and used by Muslims, Taqiya is required [in Islam]. I guess you might now understand why Peter King has been interested in the use Mosques as recruiting stations. Factual, reliable, information
has proven this and by the way, the Tennessee recruitment center murders was done by an American teen who converted from a Mosque.
Shlomo_Jackson
8:18 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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Did you ever wonder why liberals, who despise religion, love Islam?
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Tanii C.
8:41 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Liberal - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
I consider myself to be pretty liberal meaning that I don't necessarily agree with you but I'm willing to tolerate and even see some of the good in your beliefs and not foam at the mouth/wish you death or bodily harm because we don't see eye to eye. That being said I do not like organized religion, on the whole it is very divisive. Despite Christianity/Judaism/Islam all sprouting from the same holy lands and have peaceful core beliefs, they are tearing the world apart their quest for proving "my god is the best god"
Shlomo_Jackson
9:38 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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Did you ever wonder why liberals, who despise religion, love Islam?
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They Both Hate America.
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They Both Want to Destroy America.
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Tanii C.
9:48 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
How is wanting America to be a better place for ALL its citizens wanting to destroy it? Every group whether it be ethnic or religious has changed the America for both good and the bad.
Deborah G Flynn
8:19 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Because they view it as a downtrodden victim like they want us too so they can infiltrate and push Sharia law.
Irene
8:38 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
It is my feeling that they despise anything traditional, tried and true. Islam is not native to America. That is why liberals run after it. LIberals are self loathing. Look at Obama who claims that America is no longer just a judeo-christian nation. After making that statement, he signaled the influx of thousands of muslims from Dar al Islam. Liberals refuse to acknowledge the nose right on their face.
Tanii C.
9:04 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Christianity is not "native" to America, it's not even native to white people it's a Middle Eastern religion just like Islam and Judaism.
Shlomo_Jackson
9:42 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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Barack Mohamed Obama is the First Muslim U.S. President.
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He also happens to be a Hard-line Marxist, as we all well know.
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You are correct, he was elected with the help of both, self-loathing white-liberals and of course the liberal-media.
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Lloyd
9:52 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Every single day I read in the news where Muslim terrorists have struck in another non-Muslim country and have caused innocent deaths and destructuon. This taking place across Africa, India, the Middle East, Europe, and the Far East.
It just shows me that Muslims CANNOT accept living with non-Muslims and must resort to terror and violence to get their way.
Even if Barack HUSSEIN Obama gets HIS way and encourages Egypt, Hamas, and Fatah to destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the sea, that will NOT end the worldwide Jihad against the West and Christianity.
It will just be another Sept 11th triumph for radical Islam and the millions of their blind and bigoted followers.
Beware Anerica. Once they kill off all the Jews, the jihad is coming to get you next.
Shlomo_Jackson
9:57 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/20/shock-study-us-flag-only-boosts-gop
Obama and other liberals fear 9/11.
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The reason why Obama and liberals fear 9-/11 – is the same reason that they fear Independence Day.
Exposure to the American flag only boosts Republicans and reminds Americans how Treasonous liberals really are.
A recent Scientific Study found that even a brief exposure to an American flag shifts voters to Republican beliefs, attitudes and voting behavior.
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It is for this reason the liberals, lead by Obama, have tried to co-op 9/11 and turn it into a “declared a day of community service”.
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Deborah G Flynn
8:21 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Lets everyone raise flags everywhere then. I'll put on on my truck and proudly wave it from my home. If exposure does that then I say saturate the country witrh flags and put OBAMA where he belongsThe non Patriotic commie meeds to go, GONE
Irene
10:02 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Hey Chin, your brand of "humanity" is frightening. This country was founded on Judeo Christian values and beliefs. Hope for change, the way you go about it is to white wash, lie, deceive, twist, turn, shove, manipulate, warp, distort, and attack. Simple truth causes your brand of haters to scream INTOLERANCE!
I love the word Islamaphobia too, but as a very smart woman has already pointed out.
"It isn't a Islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you.!"
Tanii C.
10:45 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Actually this country was raped and robbed in the name of "escape from religious persecution" It was founded on white male land owner is right and everyone else is property to be bought and sold.
Michael Patrick Schmitt
10:15 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
They have deleted any comments that raise legitimate concerns about terrorism because it is offensive. What is really offensive is this article appearing before the 9/11 anniversary and while we are on terror alert. What is offensive is the idea that these people have "found peace" on Long Island. Who's fault is it that they can't find peace ? Everywhere they go they start a war. When they finish killing the Christians, Jews and Hindus, they kill each other. Who's fault is that ? There is no muslim country that is not at war with itself or with its neighbors. How long will it be before they start a war on Long Island ? These "Islamic Centers" have been the recruiting and training grounds for the terrorsits who attacked Times Square and Fort Hood. Long Island is an ideal place to launch a nuclear attack on New York City; every Muslims dream. They could sneak a nuclear weapon by sea from Iran to Long Islands coast, prepare it in this center and deliver it to the edge of queens and fire it. This way they could avoid detection by customs or police inspections. We must always be vigilant and we must NEVER be afraid to speak out against evil and not be afraid that we offend someone who is full of hate and trying to hurt others.
Andrew B. Herzman
8:07 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Paranoid?
Larry
10:17 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Date Country City/State Killed Injured Description
4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/1/1973 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to deah on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day
Larry
10:18 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
Larry
10:18 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim fires on a vanload of Jewish boys, killing one.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner
Larry
10:19 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
Larry
10:19 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers
Larry
10:20 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 A Muslim man runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
Larry
10:20 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah
Larry
10:21 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
4/30/2011 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
(3,094 killed by Muslims in America in 66 terror attacks)
Tanii C.
10:51 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
How many black people have been killed in America by white terrorist attacks? How many non-Christians were killed in the name of Christianity? How many Jews were killed by the Nazi's? How many white people have been killed by black Americans? How many women have been killed by men? So I guess we should just round EVERYONE because damn everyone is killing everyone.
Larry
10:22 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Go ahead flag away and take the facts down!!! Stop trying to kill people and maybe they would get the respect they want!!
Andrew B. Herzman
10:59 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Timothy James McVeigh was a Christian who detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing, the attack killed 167 people, injured more than 684 people, and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.
Tanii C.
10:25 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Why does every crazy bigot think the President is Muslim? And how can you talk about "radical Islam and the millions of their blind and bigoted followers." when most of what is being said here is blind & bigoted? Shlomo, you must be radical Jew I mean with a name like that, you HAVE to be right? So what the Presidents name is Barack Hussein Obama, his father is Kenyan and its a NAME.. Should we round up all the Malakov's because they are ALL communist Russians? I always knew Americans didn't like change but dang I didn't think the election of a half black president cause all this nonsense, no thats a lie I actually I did because through countless personal experiences America as a whole thinks that white/anglo-saxon is right and everything else is wrong.
Shlomo_Jackson
2:07 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
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Why does every crazy bigot think the President is Muslim?
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Because Barack Mohamed Obama said he is a Muslim, that's why.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00zC1-X0UY
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Michael Patrick Schmitt
2:11 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Obama has admitted or let it slip out that he has believes in islam. In every speech, he quotes, the so-called "holy koran" teachings and never once has he quoted the real Holy Bible. He has said that Jesus was a false prophet. He said he supports Sharia law in America. He said that he believes that women should not have rights in muslim countries. He grew up in Indonesia and received training in Islam and his father was a certified muslim. He has given weapons to America's enemies. He only killed Osama Bin Laden because he was afraid of the competition.
Andrew B. Herzman
2:43 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
So... what if Obama was a Muslim? Big deal. We have freedom of Religion, not just the right to bear arms. Oh, the horror! A MUSLIM president! Grow up!
Michael Patrick Schmitt
3:04 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
You are right he has the righ to bellieve anything he wants. But why is he lying about it ? Why doesn't he come right out and say "My name is Barack Hussein Obama and I am a socialist marxist moslem who hates America and everything it stands for" ? For once I would like him to be honest.
Andrew B. Herzman
9:43 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Because he is a full blooded AMERICAN who is also our President and the Comander in Chief of our armed forces, and not the "socialist marxist moslem who hates America and everything it stands for" you desperatly wish he was! If he wanted to destroy America, he has the button for our nukes to do it. Seriously....GET REAL!
Andrew B. Herzman
9:51 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
How do you think Saddam got his famous WMD? The USA (Not Obama) supplied it to him so he could fight Iran for us.
Deborah G Flynn
9:02 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
He is a Muslim. He was raisede Muslim, he wears no jewelry druing Ramadam as the Koran dictates, he does not clelebrate Christmas and avoids his duties at that time by going to Hawaii . His kids do not get Christmas gifts, He sides with pal;itinians and denounces the Israelis. He says he will stand with Muslims in his book. Radical Black muslims are his brothers, What more do you need?
Bill Sweeney
11:00 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
I do love when "liberals" are only liberal when people think and speak like liberals. If not, then they need to be protested against, attacked, censored, litigated against, etc. It's quite a joke and so typical. As far as a can tell, you people should be happy to let people be and let anyone speak their mind, whether it fits your tree hugging MO or not. Grow up you filthy hippies and wake up to reality.
Deborah G Flynn
8:27 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
I grew up in the 60's , was in college and thought all those drugged out freaks were disgusting. I still do and my patriotism was only fueled by their hatred of the flag and our government.I say fly the flag whenever you have a chance and not with a picture of OBAMA anywhere near it. Or a Muslim either.
Irene
11:32 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Today, the day before the worst attack on America, I am finding myself struggling with whether or not to fear or be brave, as I have been over the years. Tiny Chin is not worried at all. Nothing about Tiny's comments shock me. I am worried enough to be asking my son to come home from college before tomorrow...you know...just in case. I have plans to be at the memorial tomorrow. Should I go with my family or stay home? Tiny wants to discuss history and right now I need to focus on reality. So with that, my dialogue has come to an end. I have real things to worry about and everything that Larry says, I agree, everything that Bill Sweeney points out I also agree, along with Michael Patrick Schmitt and Lloyd and Shlomo. God Bless you truth tellers and God Bless America!
Haig
12:45 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Tanii is living in a dream world
Tanii C.
12:53 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Irene, our history is what has shaped our country so can't discuss the present without bringing up the past. You are a god fearing bigot because your personal history shaped you into one, I am non-religious multi-ethnic open minded individual because my personal history shaped me into one.
As for this whole living in fear or being brave crap, if you're scared of your own shadow because some "terrorist" might be plotting to kill you then I really feel sorry for you. You are going to die, just like I am and just like everyone else. When it's your time, it's your time period just because it leaves behind a world hurt for those who love you don't make any less your time. I honestly hope you find whatever closure you need at whatever memorial you chose to attend tomorrow and maybe learn a a little tolerance because the world is an ever changing place and either you accept adapt and move on or you die out like the dinosaurs. And my name is Tanii, not Tiny or Hey Chin.
Tanii C.
12:57 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
@Haig dream world? Please explain.
Deborah G Flynn
8:31 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
My husband was a first respnder and is attending the New Jersey ceremony where he was welcomed and asked to attend NOT like our liberal Mulim kissing mayor and President who excluded the very people who were alive to help. He spent 3 weeks at ground zero living in a makeshift camp under a bridge. He ran the Mash unit for the Police and search and rescue dogs . He is a Veterinarian who left his private practice to volunteer. This PC exclusion of religious leaders , police, first repsonders and volunteers as well as fireman is a slap in the face.Shame on Bloomberg
Anne Marie
12:27 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
Why can't we as a society, at least make the small attempt to get the &<@* along(at least in public).. this "me against the world" crap is what we are very successfully teaching our kids. These little darlings are probably going to have such complexes and please, forgive my attitudinal imput... but, unless we hold our kids to desire success without knocking someone else out at the knees, these little darlings are going to be the ones running this country.. unless we get sold overseas first due to our own arrogance.
Irene
4:08 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035828/9-11-threat-Jude-Kenan-Mohammad-FBI-10-Most-wanted-list-anniversary-plot.html#ixzz1XZd2AB4o
Andrew B. Herzman
10:18 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
So? Timothy McVey was a CHRISTIAN AMERICAN that blew up a buliding in Oklahoma. Evil comes in all religions.
Andrew B. Herzman
10:08 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011
It's very sad and disgusting that so many Americans hate Obama so much, that they will make up any rumor and blindly swear by it. Obama is our elected president. He is the comander in chief of our brave troops. You can hate him, lie about him, make up nonsense about him and throw a tantrum, but until the next election, he wil be our President. So grow up. Shame on those who cheer when he fails. When Obama fails, America fails. America can't afford to fail.
To all the biigots who hate Muslims: America is free because it allows all religions, not just yours. Either we coexist, or die killing each other.
Deborah G Flynn
7:27 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
No offense but OBAMA has he has been at the forefront of telling the World we are a failed Nation and apologizes for us. He is in my opinion a closet Muslim. He was raised Muslim , its on his Indonesian Passport and he has been by admission in his own book radicalized so "If the tide of world opinion changes , I will stand with the Muslims"
Andrew B. Herzman
7:55 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
No offense, but America is far from #1 anymore. Again, so what if Obama is a Muslim?
Deborah G Flynn
8:34 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
NAdfrew, YOU are the problem AMERICA IS #1 and always will be . You have fallen for this POTUS's crap. Liberals are so quick to denounce America. I couldn't stand the protestors of the 60's and I can't stand your opinion .If you like I'll help finance a plane toicket for you to whatever country you THINK is #1 perhaps China?
Travis Cooper
1:51 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Shortly after 9/11, "The West Wing" had an episode about the White House being locked down due to a security issue (I apologize if I'm wrong). There was a scene in it I still remember today which discussed different types of extremism. It's only a minute long. Please watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YbN65un7F0
Michael Patrick Schmitt
4:22 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
McVeigh was not a Christian, did not carry out the attack in the name of Christianity, Christians world wide did not celebrate, the Pope did not order him to do it, he acted alone and Christians world wide condemned it. 9/11 was ordered by the supreme Muslim leader to carry out the attack in the name of Islam by dozens of people and celebrated by every muslim and not once was ever condemned by any significant muslim leader.
Andrew B. Herzman
8:01 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
Um, he was a Christian Extremist. He had a following who did celebrate his actions. Pope or not.
Deborah G Flynn
7:28 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
I think we have to stop being so censored and PC that the real dialog and truth can be talked about. If a blog censors honest open debate then it is just a baby playroom.
Deborah G Flynn
7:30 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
I agree with Michael tell me ONE Muslim leader who has come out and condemned this action. They just dance around saying Islam is a religion of peace, yeah right and the Mafia is just a fraternity with social clubs
Andrew B. Herzman
8:04 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011
What do you know about Islam? Have you read the Koran? Have you ever been to a Mosque? Have you even spoken with a Muslim?